Yet again the unfounded and unexplained banning of contributers to this site continues. This time for someone who dared to support me and ask awkward questions. I have just been informed that The Phoenix has received the same ban that I received from someone with their finger on the button and with the 'power' to do so. My ban was lifted overnight but his ban states: Sorry Guest, you are banned from posting and sending personal messages on this forum. This ban is not set to expire.
I quote from: http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,1359.msg11278/topicseen.html#msg11278
a post by BE: It's called "Freedom of speech" as far as I know. I may not agree with his style or even his approach, but I will defend his right to say it, provided it is factual.
Let's see if they try to shut Olly down again. Obviously it didn't work the last time so their case can't have been that strong..
The Phoenix has now been "shut down" on this site for his "style and approach." Again no reasons have been given to him.
and from http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,1923.msg16328/topicseen.html#msg16328
another post by BE:Definitely on for next Friday. If Olly is convicted, I believe it will mark the beginning of the end of freedom of speech in this country.
Perhaps BE will now be true to his word and see to it that The Pheonix's ban is rescinded. We will see.
The Phoenix is a respected poster on pepipoo who like me has been responsible for many wins at PaTAS on behalf of appellants. If for any reason I stop posting on here it will only be due to another ban. That would amount to censorship of someones freedom of speech who was stating the facts
in their own way.
It has also been brought to my attention that the NTM powers that be have been running a behind the scenes email operation. NTM members that have dared to post questioning the reasons for the disclaimer in my support have received an email. The email contains the following:Guys
First, please read the full Judgment attached. I appreciate it is lengthy and time consuming, but we (the NTM senior coordinators) feel it is essential that it is read in its entirety.
Then please read this, WCC's press statement:
The mail contains:
A copy of the PaTAS Westminster review decision. (The attachment).
A Copy of WCC's Press Release.
A Copy of the TransportXtra Article minus the comment that has been posted beneath it.
The email then continues:If you require any further information I would appreciate it if you would contact me via email, and not invite me, or other coordinators to partake in discussions on the site. FYI, Nigel has openly declared to us that he will not be changing the way that he conducts appeals at Patas or the TPT.
I trust that you will not publish elsewhere any personal remarks I make on emails. Thank you.
I have not published the name of the sender of this mail so therefore I have not published any "personal remarks."
1. Copies of my grounds for review that contained the 'inappropriate language' were first sent to the 'senior coordinators' way back on Mon, 5 Mar 2012 @ 20:54. Neither of the coordinators made any complaint about the contents then. They even attended the subsequent hearing on 23 rd May so they had no problem being associated with me or the alleged 'inappropriate language' then.
2. I posted the Westminster review decision here at reply # 204: http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,1364.195.html
; on 26 th. June 2012. I did this after consultation with the senior coordinators.
3. The WCC press release is only to be expected. As all press releases do, It contains their spin. As we all know Westminster will use any opportunity they can to rubbish campaigners. It shows that we have them rattled when they issue such a press release regarding a parking appeal.
4. the TransportXrta article is in the trade paper for the 'parking and transport industry' so what do you expect. The company Landor that runs TransportXtra states: Markets we serve: Traffic & Transport, Urban Design, Parking & Enforcement....
They also state that: We connect with every Local Authority in the UK.
It is therefore hardly surprising that they connected with Westminster and quoted verbatim the Westminster press release in the article.
I have attached a copy of the post under the TransportXtra article to this post. It can also be found here: http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2299.0.html
5. The FYI, Nigel has openly declared to us that he will not be changing the way that he conducts appeals at Patas or the TPT.
part of the mail is perfectly correct. I conducted another appeal in the same way last week and won. I will be visiting PaTAS again this week - more to follow. Please also see my post #29 in this thread. I do not appear at any tribunal as a representative of the NoToMob. Nor do I ever state that I represent the Mob in any press interview or broadcast. I simply state that I am a member of the NoToMob. There is a clear distinction. This does NOT leave the Mob open to any 'legal action' whatsoever.
6. The If you require any further information I would appreciate it if you would contact me via email, and not invite me, or other coordinators to partake in discussions on the site.
part of the mail is the main bit that the people that have forwarded the mail to me can't understand.
According to the Disclaimer itself it is the coordinators that have agreed to the disclaimer. People have asked the coordinators why the disclaimer has been posted on an open forum. They expect as I do that if the coordinators have nothing to hide they will also respond on the same open forum. Web Admin who posted the disclaimer has been conspicuous by his/her absence. People have also asked who this person is - there has been no answer.
This email also puts to bed the suggestion that the NTM coordinators may have been 'threatened with legal action'. It establishes the fact that the disclaimer is
a knee jerk reaction. There can be no possible reason or justification for a disclaimer save for a general one under these circumstances.
The only coordinator to break cover so far is Peperami who I admire and applaud for doing so.
He has done so here: http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2298.0.html
Where he says: Nigel, good luck with this. Your doing this in your name, and good on you. You have put so much time and effort in things in the past, and i hope you carry on all the time you wish to.
Things have got messy, and there are lessons there for all of us.
I certainly agree with him 100%.
United We Stand Divided We Fall.
Here is my own disclaimer:
Perhaps by my publishing my own disclaimer it will encourage the Coordinators to take down the offensive locked Disclaimer and subsequently replace it with a general disclaimer as other websites routinely have. We will then all be able to get back to the real work of fighting revenue driven enforcement. That is what we are here for after all.