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Council Specific & Schunt Reports => Tower Hamlets (LBTH) => Topic started by: BGB on 22 January, 2012, 04:58:25 PM

Title: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 22 January, 2012, 04:58:25 PM
So say London Borough of Tower Hamlets
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Pat Pending on 22 January, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
I wonder if you could sue if you complied with the arrow and damaged you'r Vehicle. :idea:
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 22 January, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
"Idiotic" would be too kind a definition.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Nigel W on 22 January, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
Google Street View has the arrows on the bollards facing in the correct direction.

They have obviously replaced this one with a standard 'keep left bollard'.  Whoever erected it should be sacked.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: DastardlyDick on 22 January, 2012, 08:44:48 PM
Looking at the StreetView images, it appears to be some sort of half hearted attempt at a cycle path.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 22 January, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
It is a road constriction with cycle lane 'bypass' but of course wrong makings even without the bollard.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 24 January, 2012, 09:14:21 AM
But not DfT visibility guidelines.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Pat Pending on 24 January, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
What sort of halfwit moron installed those signs? :bashy: :bashy: :bashy:
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 29 January, 2012, 04:54:12 PM
"Does the roundel go above or below "controlled zone" ?"
"Dunno, lets do one of each."
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 29 January, 2012, 04:57:01 PM
Signs should be visible to approaching road users.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 29 January, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Multiple Choice.

When can you park in this bay?

a) at any time
b) outside 7.00am - 7.00pm Mon - Sati.
c) at no time

Answers to John Chilton, Head of Parking, Tower Hamlets.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 17 February, 2012, 06:23:21 PM
Stop or Give Way?
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 03 March, 2012, 04:21:24 PM
Somewhat strange.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 03 March, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
That's a standard set up for no entry for vehicles above 11' 3."


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Title: Very quickly comprehensible sign
Post by: BGB on 12 March, 2012, 07:56:08 AM
The first sign is what is seen by approaching traffic, before turning left into the restricted road.

The second sign is what is seen once the turn has been commenced.

Signs should convey their intended message quickly and accurately.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 12 March, 2012, 11:49:15 AM
The first sign is what is seen by approaching traffic, before turning left into the restricted road.

The second sign is what is seen once the turn has been commenced.

Signs should convey their intended message quickly and accurately.

Having studied these signs for a some considerable time, I can confidently state that the signs mean that only buses with no seats are allowed into this road between 9.00am and 9.01am on the third Sunday of every month, provided there is a blue moon and Pluto is rising in Uranus.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: billie.skeggs on 12 March, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
The first sign is what is seen by approaching traffic, before turning left into the restricted road.

The second sign is what is seen once the turn has been commenced.

Signs should convey their intended message quickly and accurately.

Having studied these signs for a some considerable time, I can confidently state that the signs mean that only buses with no seats are allowed into this road between 9.00am and 9.01am on the third Sunday of every month, provided there is a blue moon and Pluto is rising in Uranus.

now is that my anus or that of trhe parking service manager
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 27 March, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
Case Reference:   2110693916
Authority:   Tower Hamlets
Contravention Date:   26 Jun 2011
Contravention Time:   12:12
Contravention Location:   Crispin Street
Penalty Amount:   £80.00
Contravention:   Parked for longer than permitted
Decision Date:   24 Mar 2012
Adjudicator:   Gerald Styles
Appeal Decision:   Allowed
Direction:   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons:   ....I have studied the Council photos of the bay sign which has some  resemblance to ministerial  pattern  660.7. It is not one commonly seen and I can accept that a motorist might seek to pay as the appellant says he did seek to pay even though this was not intended on a Sunday. The Council has not told me whether it has applied to the Department for Transport for special authorisation of the sign (if such is in fact needed)  but I have not delayed today on that account.

I have not been given a transcription or audio clip of information given during the call I accept the appellant made.

I can accept that "free all day on Sunday" might well have been information given and  the  qualification or limit of two hours might have been unclear.

On the basis that the sign is not a common one and that there appears to have been some ambiguous information /misunderstanding occurring over the phone I have decided the present appeal is properly allowed. The  Council  will hereafter  I hope  seek to ensure  the  sign no longer reads  "Sundayy". The double  "yy"  simple  serves  to divert the reader of what is already quite complicated.  
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 01 May, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
A new marking shape.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Nigel W on 01 May, 2012, 08:30:24 PM
It won't be long before the trusty old 'blacking out' paint wears off to reveal the 3 under the 2.  What kind of a halfwit could paint such a monstrosity?
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 01 May, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
You can be cruel sometimes. I'm sure he done it to the very best of his abilities.

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Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 01 June, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
iBrtain's smallest Yellow Box Junction.
Title: Did one of Ewan's smileys get run over by a road laying machine?
Post by: BGB on 24 December, 2012, 11:45:59 AM
Did one of Ewan's smileys get run over by a road laying machine?

Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 24 December, 2012, 12:04:13 PM
The poor little chap was inspecting that double yellow, and I do mean that in the loosest possible way, when he got surprised by a bicycle weasel.

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Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 24 December, 2012, 02:34:38 PM
@BGB.

The thread heading is "All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations". Have you any proof of who said that and in what context?

I think whoever it is should be sent all the photos on this thread and asked to justify his/her remark, don't you? :P :P :P
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 11 January, 2013, 10:38:15 AM
 W:T:F:
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 11 January, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
This type of restriction is becoming more common. Where enforcement is becoming more customer focused, you get a choice of PCNs, one for the bay and one for the line. You simply choose the PCN you prefer and send off your payment thanking the council for pointing out what a horrible little serf you are.

I had a similar experience in Greenwich recently where I saw a vulture preparing his victim's PCN. I asked him why there was a bay with lines running through it and he said that "outside of the bay restriction times, the yellow lines are enforced." I tried to assert that there were no such road markings in the TSRGD and that it was part of his job to report defective signs and lines but he was having none of it. He finished up with "I've told you four times now. You can appeal if you feel the PCN was wrongly issued. What a c :o nt. The victim was nowhere to be seen so I left a note on his/her windscreen. This was a couple of weeks ago now without contact so I suspect another one may have bitten the dust.

 ::)))
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Staps on 11 January, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
Ewan it is very possible the c  :o nt might have removed your note, It is after all "Just about the money"
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 11 January, 2013, 10:12:21 PM
I was ahead of that little game and made sure he had gone off to rip off some other poor sod chastise another inconsiderate motorist before leaving my note. The last one I tried to help was in an invisible loading bay. The victim had returned and I gave him my details along with the website and assurances that it was 100% winnable (for us) He never got in touch. That generous 50% discount is too big a hurdle for most and is the main reason why the $cam is so successful.

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Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Staps on 11 January, 2013, 11:44:23 PM
"The last one I tried to help was in an invisible loading bay"
would be nice to know if he took your advice and appealed the ticket himself.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 12 January, 2013, 12:24:07 AM
I would like to think he did. I left him in no doubt as to the legality of the PCN but you never know. Automatic rejection, threats of impending doom with plenty of time to stew on it. Here's the thread;

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2391.0.html (http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2391.0.html)

The picture in that thread shows the, ahem, 'loading bay' where Lauren and her driver were parked. Lauren was wheelchair bound and, as explained in the thread, NSL's little rays of sunshine did not start to prepare the PCN until after her and her driver had returned. The sight of a severely disabled person being preyed upon like this made several passers by very angry and a couple of senior weasels turned up. The scene became very heated indeed and looked as though someone might get a good kick in the bollocks before long. I don't like to see public servants suffering abuse in the line of duty so if the worst had happened, I would have written to the police at my earliest convenience.

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Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 13 January, 2013, 12:20:10 PM
Below is what passes for compliant markings in Greenwich. By the looks of them, they probably pre-date the TSRGD so they may have been compliant when they were first painted. Note a speed cushion has been added to dissuade motorists from parking at speeds in excess of 30mph.
Title: Re: All the council’s road markings and signs are in accordance with dft regulations
Post by: BGB on 18 July, 2014, 07:10:21 PM
I found this parking bay today.

An Ambulance bay should be yellow! :o

I have a nagging feeling that there is something else wrong with this bay but I can't quite work out what it is.