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Title: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 30 January, 2014, 07:39:08 PM
.......So has anyone appealed with Euro Car Parks?

My mate goes into the car park in Shoreditch High Street, London, he drives around a few times but there aren't any spaces available, so he stops to wait for a space to become available.  No spaces became available after a while so he left and went to find another car park, he didn't get out of his car once.

Now, I'm thinking about the Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss, if the car park is full, there can be no loss, can there?

So, whats the advice?

Cheers
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: EDW2000 on 30 January, 2014, 07:49:42 PM
Ask for a popla code. Then go with GPEOL.

Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Coco on 31 January, 2014, 12:47:51 AM
Mrs Coco received a begging letter similar to  the  one above from Euro Park. after five or six letters couched in ever stronger language and with ever more outrageous threats the letters just stopped arriving. Mrs Coco was most upset by the thought that Euro Park no longer cared and went into a deep sulk  that last for almost ten seconds!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 31 January, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
@KillSwitch

Your mate's name wouldn't happen to be Spartacus by any chance? ;D

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2789.0.html (http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,2789.0.html)

http://nutsville.com/2013/06/12/spartacus-shows-up-the-farce-of-getting-a-parking-ticket-on-private-land/ (http://nutsville.com/2013/06/12/spartacus-shows-up-the-farce-of-getting-a-parking-ticket-on-private-land/)
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: DastardlyDick on 01 February, 2014, 10:57:26 AM
I don't think it is the same case as Spartacus's - his was G24 wea$els, and this is Eurocarparks wea$els.

Are they allowed to charge a "handling fee" of £2.50 for Cheques and/or £1.50 for online payments?
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 01 February, 2014, 11:07:24 AM
I don't think it is the same case as Spartacus's - his was G24 wea$els, and this is Eurocarparks wea$els

I think the Spartacus defence would work equally well regardless of the brand of weasel. All Spartacus has to do is own up to being the driver, and as soon as he's in the frame the weasels have to deal with him, and leave the keeper alone.

Are they allowed to charge a "handling fee" of £2.50 for Cheques and/or £1.50 for online payments?

If they don't have a loss they can't charge you A PENNY.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 01 February, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
So, is the consensus of opinion to write an appeals letter and go through the process, or, is it to simply ignore the attachment in the opening post and let them waste money on postage?

If it was me I would ignore it and see what happens, but I find myself wanting advice when I'M suggesting a course of action to a mate.

Cheers Guys
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 01 February, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
My advice for what it's worth is to put in a hard appeal to Popla. Even if it loses (and it won't if you properly challenge the contract and the GPEOL), Popla decisions can be ignored in the full knowledge that the company still have to sue you in the small claims court if they want their dosh.

Parking Prankster and Parking Cowboys have some good advice on their sites as to how to do this.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: DastardlyDick on 01 February, 2014, 05:09:47 PM
I don't think it is the same case as Spartacus's - his was G24 wea$els, and this is Eurocarparks wea$els

I think the Spartacus defence would work equally well regardless of the brand of weasel. All Spartacus has to do is own up to being the driver, and as soon as he's in the frame the weasels have to deal with him, and leave the keeper alone.


Yes, I expect it would. Of course first he has to go through the process of an appeal to the wea$els in order to get a PoPLA code, assuming that they just reject out of hand as per usual.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: EDW2000 on 01 February, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
So, is the consensus of opinion to write an appeals letter and go through the process, or, is it to simply ignore the attachment in the opening post and let them waste money on postage?

If it was me I would ignore it and see what happens, but I find myself wanting advice when I'M suggesting a course of action to a mate.

Cheers Guys



If you friend wants to fight this in Small Claims Court in London then I will rep him free of charge and if he loses I will cover his costs up to £165.

They usually claim

PCN 100
Issue fee 15
Solictoris fee 50

Total £165
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 02 February, 2014, 10:38:36 AM
People...

I would like to add a few words if I may...

Do NOT respond to any letters that demand money from any private parking company.  They have no legal right to demand money from you than I do.

They are unenforceable and they know it, and thier threats and intimidation are frivolous and vexatious.  Do not be worried by these weasels, they have no power in any law but they like to imply they do to make you think its a fine, the reason they use identical lettering to a Council PENALTY charge notice.

If you get a fine from the police or the council, you are obliged to respond, get one from a PPC, you do not.

I would just completely ignore this and throw all of the letters in the bin, after all, they are worthless!

Do let me know if you would like me to give you more info...  I am happy to help.

By the way, they may threaten you with court action, just ignore it.  If you do get any forms from any court, check to see if the claim has been issued, there are reports that some including the ECP weasels have been issuing bogus court claims.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 02 February, 2014, 01:52:45 PM
@EDW2000  Thank you that is a most generous offer, I think I will take the advice of «THÖMÅS®©™» and wait and see what happens.

As Coco said in an earlier post, his wife ignored all the letters and after a while they just stopped sending them.

Thank you very much one and all
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Pat Pending on 02 February, 2014, 02:06:22 PM
You could write to them and ask them to use softer paper for all future correspondence!  As I have found it to be very rough!
 I wonder if I can sue them for a paper cut on the rusty sherrifs  badge?
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 02 February, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
You could write to them and ask them to use softer paper for all future correspondence!  As I have found it to be very rough!
 I wonder if I can sue them for a paper cut on the rusty sherrifs  badge?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 02 February, 2014, 02:33:57 PM
Oh my poor ribs!

 :pmsl:      :pmsl:      :pmsl:      :pmsl:      :pmsl:
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 02 February, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
Looking at the fake penalty, they are trying to charge you £100 for a 24 minute stop?  That is just outrageous!

Follow my advice KS, and you will be just fine.

IGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 02 February, 2014, 02:49:06 PM
Looking at the fake penalty, they are trying to charge you £100 for a 24 minute stop?  That is just outrageous!

Follow my advice KS, and you will be just fine.

IGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE!

I'm going to advise exactly that
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Pat Pending on 02 February, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
A mate of mine received a DIY Speculative Invoice, these are where a company pays some ne'er do wells to suply them with sticky plastic wallets for a pseudo parking ticket. Then the shop or company take a picture of the car and stick the worthless paper to the windscreen.
The speculative invoice came through the post and the photos are a joke! No index number of the vehicle in view, and an indistinguishable blurry picture of  tax disc.   No pictures to show what car it is, where it is or any signs!

As much as I would love to have some fun with this he is going to take the "Option number 1" Ignore the twats.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 02 February, 2014, 08:00:40 PM
I would like to appeal on the following grounds,

1) Whoever issued this invoice is a massive bell end. (not you Dr. You're obviously not unique)

 dr00L
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 02 February, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
I would like to appeal on the following grounds,

1) Whoever issued this invoice is a massive bell end. (not you Dr. You're obviously not unique)

 dr00L

LMAO!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 13 February, 2014, 10:29:58 PM
And so it continues, still ignoring....
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 17 February, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
Good.  Keep it up.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 27 March, 2014, 10:22:26 PM
Now he's received a demand fron a bailiff company. 

Forum won't let me attach the scan at the moment, bear with me
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 27 March, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
Are you sure it's not a debt collector?

It's not "Debt Recovery Plus" is it?
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: BGB on 27 March, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
I notice from your Notice to Keeper "Failure to adhere to signage at site"

You need to take some better glue with you next time!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 27 March, 2014, 11:35:48 PM
Are you sure it's not a debt collector?

It's not "Debt Recovery Plus" is it?

You're right it's a debt collector called Roxburghe
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 27 March, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
The Debt recovery agency have no power or right to demand money from you than I do.  They are trying to scare your friend and are using scare tactics.

Roxburghe are not bailiffs, they are a debt recovery agency, again, no power.

I suggest that your friend returns the demanding threat-o-gram to them and write "NO CONTRACT" on it and they will return the "debt" to Euro Car Parks.

I have done a bit of research and they are unlikely to take it any further, especially not court.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 28 March, 2014, 12:15:59 AM
The Debt recovery agency have no power or right to demand money from you than I do.  They are trying to scare your friend and are using scare tactics.

Roxburghe are not bailiffs, they are a debt recovery agency, again, no power.

I suggest that your friend returns the demanding threat-o-gram to them and write "NO CONTRACT" on it and they will return the "debt" to Euro Car Parks.

I have done a bit of research and they are unlikely to take it any further, especially not court.

Thanks for the advice  :aplude:
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Pat Pending on 28 March, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Roxburghe are the tossers who wrote to me after the Parking Eye Speculative Invoice got the Arse softness test as did Grahame White Solicitors. I think they are all owned by the same shower of failed illegal clampers. F*CKEM!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: DastardlyDick on 29 March, 2014, 06:20:26 PM
I suggest that your friend returns the demanding threat-o-gram to them and write "NO CONTRACT" on it and they will return the "debt" to Euro Car Parks.

I wouldn't go down the route of this 'Freeman on the Land' "No Contract" nonsense if it was me - their approach has been comprehensivley discredited.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 29 March, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
The Parking Prankster method is the tried and tested way to go these days.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 29 March, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
I suggest that your friend returns the demanding threat-o-gram to them and write "NO CONTRACT" on it and they will return the "debt" to Euro Car Parks.

I wouldn't go down the route of this 'Freeman on the Land' "No Contract" nonsense if it was me - their approach has been comprehensivley discredited.
Only an idea.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 30 March, 2014, 09:56:28 AM
The Parking Prankster method is the tried and tested way to go these days.

I follow the Prankster's blogs and his way of dealing with things certainly seems to be working.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 30 March, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
I believe everyone should read the Prankster's blog. Most members on here will never fall foul of parking weasel's tricks but sooner or later a friend or relative is bound to. I have written a POPLA appeal for Mrs. Hoosami's cousin who was the recipient of a Parking(sh)Eye(sters) sPeCulative iNvoice. Not only was the appeal based entirely on the Prankster's excellent principles but it is worth every penny of the £27+VAT the weasels are about to pay for it.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/47883437.jpg)
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 31 March, 2014, 07:01:15 PM
My phoneline has been down for a few days, so no internet access until about an hour ago, it's already been sent back with "No Contract" written on it, I'll see what response is received and then the Parking Prangster route.

Cheers everyone.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: «THÖMÅS®©™» on 02 April, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Great.  They will be unlikely to respond to contact you now.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 20 July, 2014, 09:08:55 PM
So what is the consensus of opinion on the attached?
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: DastardlyDick on 20 July, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
So what is the consensus of opinion on the attached?

For me, it just adds further proof that the "freeman on the land" "no contract" approach is a load of bowlocks.

I'd switch to the Parking Pranksters tried and tested methods ASAP.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 21 July, 2014, 12:33:27 AM
If you friend wants to fight this in Small Claims Court in London then I will rep him free of charge and if he loses I will cover his costs up to £165.

They usually claim

PCN 100
Issue fee 15
Solictoris fee 50

Total £165


That's a champion offer if it's still there. The solicitors letter is just another part of the debt collection threatogram chain. The extra £172 is a load of horse shit of course and EDW's calculation is a more likely claim amount, should it end up at court. Pranky has reported bundles of claims where the parking weasels tried and failed to justify £100 as GPEOL. Adding £172 to it is not going to fly at all. That being said, they may well grow a pair and issue court proceedings. Your basic choice now is to carry on ignoring or to initiate contact. That's a matter for you of course but it may be easier to get them to back down now or issue a POPLA code. I found a template letter to use if you wish,

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=64748310&highlight=#post64748310 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=64748310&highlight=#post64748310)

I've re-read your original post and Pranky has had a case with those exact circumstances,

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/waiting-for-space-is-not-parking.html (http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/waiting-for-space-is-not-parking.html)

If it comes to it, this will only be part of your defence with GPEOL and Locus standi featuring quite strongly. Also, because your mate didn't leave his car, he wouldn't have read the signs. There was no consideration so the contract could not have been formed.

The short version: F :o ck 'em!
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: BGB on 21 July, 2014, 06:53:48 AM
If the keeper was not the driver, you can give the keeper's details and go back to the beginning. 

Otherwise, you've ignored the threatograms thus far, continuing to ignore might be a good option.

There are plenty of people to help should a county court claim arrive.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: EDW2000 on 21 July, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
I recently did a case against Gladstones.

They were rubbish and folded.

Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 21 July, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
Thanks to all.

As he is being asked to contact Roxburghe (UK) Ltd, I'm thinking, I'll get him to contact them, and explain that he is going to ask for a POPLA code and see where that gets us, or is it too late for that?

Thoughts please
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 21 July, 2014, 11:19:16 PM
Never too late to put your side of the story. Roxburgh are pricks and will try to bamboozle you with 'too late to appeal' or 'we only deal with payments and cannot handle appeals' or some similar bullshit. Any refusal on the part of Roxburgh, Euro or any other weasel to engage in ADR can be made known to the court and the court can then be invited to refer it to POPLA. Help yourself to some examples,

http://www.parking-prankster.com/popla-referrals.html (http://www.parking-prankster.com/popla-referrals.html)

Roxburgh can blow my hampton.

Edit: Don't call them as requested on the Gladstones threatogram. They'll talk bollocks and you will have no record of what was said. NEVER RING A WEASEL. Always write to weasels, keep a copy and get free proof of postage at the post office.
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 06 October, 2014, 06:47:58 PM
To call or not to call..................
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 06 October, 2014, 07:20:36 PM
At least the weasel who sent that has the necessary skills to ask Gary Osner for any wages owed.

 :pmsl:      <Biglaugh>      :rotfl:      <laughing> 
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Ewan Hoosami on 07 October, 2014, 07:26:24 AM
Where's my manners? Patrick Trouser-Fire can feel free to use that letter as a template for the purpose of recovering any outstanding BPA Ltd membership fees from Gary Osner.

 <Whistle>
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 07 October, 2014, 10:36:44 AM
I wonder if the next demand with menaces will come from Osner's brand spanking new company, ZZPS Ltd?
Title: Re: My Mate Received a Speculative Invoice.....
Post by: Kill Switch on 07 October, 2014, 12:34:20 PM
Suffice to say, we're ignoring it for now, I'll let you know if the administrators get in contact.