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Title: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 15 March, 2011, 09:52:30 AM
I'm waiting for replies from the council and police  :idea:
REGARDING GLOBE LANE
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/trafregorders.pdf (http://http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/trafregorders.pdf)
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Apparently there were 2 no entry's signs which have been removed and replaced by no vehicular traffic, but they haven't updated this yet, as it on their website as the lastest changes, on roads in Medway

http://medway.elgin.gov.uk/ (http://http://medway.elgin.gov.uk/)
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 15 March, 2011, 09:12:02 PM
Dig away MG. :-ev-:

The trick is in asking the right question in the right way. Happy to help if you want to bell or pm me.
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 April, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
Before, taken on 17th March 2011
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 April, 2011, 06:31:52 PM
Taken this week  :o
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: spica on 17 April, 2011, 06:55:42 PM
well thats helpful  :bashy:  why do we have numpties?
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 April, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
Well we will wait and see  :idea:  :-ev-:
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: NotEvenALondonRider on 17 April, 2011, 09:02:06 PM
Just amazing - I am so often tempted to go and move the temporary signs on New Cut when there are events on, as they are added at such a height and placing on the pole that they completely obscure the visibility towards the station for anyone trying to turn onto Railway Street. But putting a pole directly in front of the sign....
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: Blinky on 18 April, 2011, 09:11:29 PM
Could only be Medway council!  :bashy:
Title: Re: TROs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 19 April, 2011, 10:20:17 PM
Quote from: "Monkey Girl"
I'm waiting for replies from the council and police  :idea:
REGARDING GLOBE LANE
[url]http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/trafregorders.pdf[/url] ([url]http://http[/url]://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/trafregorders.pdf)
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Apparently there were 2 no entry's signs which have been removed and replaced by no vehicular traffic, but they haven't updated this yet, as it on their website as the lastest changes, on roads in Medway

[url]http://medway.elgin.gov.uk/[/url] ([url]http://http[/url]://medway.elgin.gov.uk/)
Quote from: "NotEvenALondonRider"
Just amazing - I am so often tempted to go and move the temporary signs on New Cut when there are events on, as they are added at such a height and placing on the pole that they completely obscure the visibility towards the station for anyone trying to turn onto Railway Street. But putting a pole directly in front of the sign....
Well after so many months of Globe Lane being a no entry, they must have read my post as it has only now been amended on the above link... as of 15/04/2011
Regarding my FOI to Medway police, some very interesting results there!!! .....not in Medway Councils favour! Mmmm (skeletons)
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Pat Pending on 19 April, 2011, 11:32:47 PM
Ohhh go on MG rattle their cupboard some more lets see what falls out. :-ev-:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: crabby on 20 April, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
have they been consulting with someone from wastemonster? ? ?
 :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 20 April, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
After two more phone calls and the promise of an email, yesterday, and another call today,...still no email.....I dont enjoy being ignored, its very rude...... so I have made an official complaint!!
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: BAILIFFCHASER on 22 April, 2011, 01:06:18 AM
If its medway council then nothing new. Dont know if you are dealing with vinegar tits or not. Saw the news last week. Blaming the notomob crew for that near accident.
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 22 April, 2011, 07:17:15 AM
They have now got back to me and with an unreadable email, so Ive ask to pick a hard copy up, and they have agreed.
so if there contravening parking... that must mean that:-

They are NOT allowed in a pedestrian High St with no vehicular access except disabled
or to go through ANY no vehicular traffic except for access....or a pedestrian High St with no stopping clearway!! As they are stopping to enforce!! 
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: NotEvenALondonRider on 22 April, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
Seem to recall "Camera enforcement should only to be used where it would be difficult or dangerous for a CEO to enforce on foot"?  :idea:

Difficult to enforce on foot - in a pedestrian area?  W:T:F: Oh yes, perhaps - it is Medway!  :pmsl:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Pat Pending on 22 April, 2011, 03:59:03 PM
It is a shame they did not take the same attitude with this near accident as Brent did when I complained to them about their $car driver. I did not have any video to back it up either.


This is the reply I just received from Brent about my complaint of the way one of their $cars was driven.



Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxx[/font:s42st5nl]

[font=arial:s42st5nl]May I first of apologise for the delay in writing to you.[/font:s42st5nl]

[font=arial:s42st5nl]On receipt of your complaint, the Civil Enforcement Officer driving the CCTV vehicle at Cricklewood Broadway on 2[sup:s42st5nl]nd[/sup:s42st5nl] April, 2011 was suspended from driving duties and was formally interviewed under his employer’s discipline procedures.  He has been given formal words of advice as to his future conduct and reminded of his responsibilities when driving on duty.  He has now been re-instated to driving duties, but a record of this incident will remain on his file for 6 months.[/font:s42st5nl]

[font=arial:s42st5nl]I apologise for any inconvenience this incident has caused you.[/font:s42st5nl]

Mike Lambert
Acting Parking Manager
L. B. Brent,
Pyramid House,
Fourth Way,
Wembley,
HA9 0LJ
020 8937 5091


I have replied with this.
Dear Mr Lambert,
 
Thank you for the response to my complaint, the delay is acceptable given the serious nature of the circumstances. I consider this matter is now closed as it has been dealt with correctly and to my full satisfaction.
Thank you.     
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Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 24 April, 2011, 08:17:04 AM
MY FOI Responce from what do they know.

Can any of you see any where in this order, that will allow the /cctv $car's to pass through Globe Lane Chatham, into the Brook or into Chatham High St please ?
Because I cant see any!

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/68932/response/169353/attach/4/Traffic%20Orders.pdf (http://http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/68932/response/169353/attach/4/Traffic%20Orders.pdf)
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: peperami gsxr on 24 April, 2011, 03:54:41 PM
No i cant see, i think your right MG.

Unless, they pick up litter on the way and load rubish into the boot :rotfl:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: DastardlyDick on 25 April, 2011, 06:46:16 AM
How about Article 3 "Nothing in Article 2, 2 shall render it unlawful to cause or permit a vehicle tp proceed along a length of road referred to for a purpose authorised and described on a permit issued by the Council"?
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 25 April, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
@ Dasterly Dick
Yes but they have to abide by section 14 (1) of the Road Traffice Act ..... here

Temporary prohibition or restriction on roads.E+W+S.(1)If the traffic authority for a road are satisfied that traffic on the road should be restricted or prohibited—.
(a)because works are being or are proposed to be executed on or near the road; or.
(b)because of the likelihood of danger to the public, or of serious damage to the road, which is not attributable to such works; or.
(c)for the purpose of enabling the duty imposed by section 89(1)(a) or (2) of theEnvironmental Protection Act 1990 (litter clearing and cleaning) to be discharged,.
the authority may by order restrict or prohibit temporarily the use of that road, or of any part of it, by vehicles, or vehicles of any class, or by pedestrians, to such extent and subject to such conditions or exceptions as they may consider necessary.


Look at section PROHIBITION OF MOTOR VEHICLES
SECTION 2 (1) Which means Vehicles are prohibited
& SECTION 2 (2)
SECTION 3.... I BELIVE IS REGARDING DUSTCARTS TO PERFORM THEIR DUTY.
still i will be out to having a look at these at some point
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 25 April, 2011, 10:27:53 AM
Dear Medway Council,

FOI  IN TODAY

Please provide copy's, details of certificates, orders, or other regarding any permissions given to allow Medway Council's CCTV Vehicles, in which, therefore allowing permission for these particular vehicles to pass through a No Vehicular Access into Globe Lane turning right into Sir John Hawkins and or straight onto The Brook Chatham. And also Nashden Lane Borstal.
I would also like a copy of any order's,certificate or other, which allows your CCTV Vehicles to contravene parking under the any of The Road Traffic acts, which allows Medway Councils CCTV Vehicles to park on double yellow or single yellow lines when enforcing or parking.



Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: NotEvenALondonRider on 25 April, 2011, 10:57:05 AM
Well on the pdf I can't see anything which allows the CCTV cars through Globe Lane or Waterfront Way. Unless they are using 3 1. iii as measured with the camera at full height? Which I'm sure they aren't allowed to drive with?

It doesn't actually specify any restriction of turn at The Brook or Medway Street, only that only the bus / taxi / local bus / emergency / contractor vehicles can use Globe Lane or Waterfront Way. So have they signed those appropriately? I will have a look when I stroll down there in a bit.

There are errors in the defined roads anyway.

"2.1 - No person shall cause or permit a vehicle to proceed in Waterfront Way East of the road leading to Sir John Hawkins car park." Waterfront Way runs due North / South so how can you proceed East in it? Why no prohibition of West? Or are they assuming that that is actually South and no-one can get there as no access via Globe Lane or Medway Street?

4 Road with restriction / road where the restriction applies fromThe table appears to say that nothing can use either 2m or the width of the High Street plus 2m in a North / South direction. So since it says that applies to the High Street North / South and the High Street runs East / West.....

Shall I buy the council a Compass?

NEALR aka Shedman
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 25 April, 2011, 06:58:08 PM
Well spotted NEALR  :aplude:   :-ev-: still we keep digging  ;D
just uploading pics, il pm you my email
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Pat Pending on 25 April, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
If the road runs East / West could they be referring to the North side of the Road or South side of the road  :idea:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 28 April, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
@BH....Have a look... no scanner so these are pics, but they should enlarge enough for you to read  ;)
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 28 April, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
I never seem to able to upload anymore than 2 pics without an Error!
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 28 April, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
not much more  ;D
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: BailiffHunter on 28 April, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
@MG


I will PM you as I don`t want "Eyes" to read.......
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 28 April, 2011, 09:09:02 PM
I alway's have trouble uploading anymore than 2 pics at any time,, and now it wont allow me to up load the last two pics at all  :bashy: :bashy: and they were the important bits  :bashy:  :pmsl:


Balllif H, i have emailed you the last 2 pics  ;D
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 29 April, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
The council spokesman Mr Staples said: "The law allows for this and the car is exempt from parking restrictions under these circumstances. The council also insists that it must be safe for the CCTV car to park where it has."


http://garyallanach.blogspot.com/2010/07/medway-council-cctv-car-far-from-smart.html (http://http://garyallanach.blogspot.com/2010/07/medway-council-cctv-car-far-from-smart.html)
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: BAILIFFCHASER on 29 April, 2011, 09:00:53 PM
iD SAY MR STAPLES SHOULD STAPLE HIS TOUNG AND THEN TRY TALKING AGAIN.
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 29 April, 2011, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: "BAILIFFCHASER"
iD SAY MR STAPLES SHOULD STAPLE HIS TOUNG AND THEN TRY TALKING AGAIN.
:pmsl: :pmsl:
Title: Re: Medway TROs/TMOs & Temp TMOs
Post by: Monkey Girl on 13 May, 2011, 08:29:29 AM
posted here again

Heres the FOI request Ive been waiting for,  which according to Medway Council, this allows their CCTV to park on Double yellow etc

@have a look NEALR

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/road_traffic_certificates_orders#incoming-173854 (http://http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/road_traffic_certificates_orders#incoming-173854)