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Title: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 17 March, 2011, 12:56:18 PM
Hi guys and gals, see this thread.....

http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/discuss/neverending-story-bay-without-lower-sign/msg57468/#msg57468 (http://http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/discuss/neverending-story-bay-without-lower-sign/msg57468/#msg57468)

maybe this is a job for NTBPT/the notomob? We could monitor illegal bays and get evidence of the CEO's persistently ticketing unenforceable bays.

We could then present this evidence to the powers that be and see what reaction we get.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Anonymous on 17 March, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
Cant see this link as not a member and aparently members only allowed to view.  :bashy:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 17 March, 2011, 05:07:56 PM
Why not join FPW?  ???
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 17 March, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: "chalky"
Why not join FPW?  ???

I don't think you wanted to go there Chalky. :bashy: :bashy: :bashy:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: rs2k on 17 March, 2011, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: "The Bald Eagle"
Quote from: "chalky"
Why not join FPW?  ???

I don't think you wanted to go there Chalky. :bashy: :bashy: :bashy:

If its about cost, I 'believe' there is no compulsory cost now ??  or at least there was a vote to that effect.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 March, 2011, 05:33:11 PM
Sorry dont use that forum either, thanks anyway TT
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 17 March, 2011, 05:51:39 PM
nobodys account was closed. Let's try and be grown up about this.......
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: spikes on 17 March, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
I am afraid the link provided is not in the public section of the NTBPT forum so I guess it is about missing lower bay signs and their enforcement. Something that with the NTBPTs established lines of communication with the movers and shakers at WCC they would be best placed to resolve quite quickly would they not?
 
At this stage I am not in favour of any joint ventures with NTBPT although I wish them success with their campaign for free bike parking in Westminster. But I do disagree that this is about being grown up, and think it is more about honesty, integrity and accountability, which seems with everyday that passes recently as something which is being pushed to the fore. I can only think TT that you are a relative newcomer to their campaign and as such may not be privy to all the past ins and outs.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 17 March, 2011, 07:14:32 PM
W:T:F:
Have I missed something? I thought essentially we were one and the same, fighting the common enemy, just with different weapons? Afterall the NoToMob was formed from the acorn of the Great Oak that is The NTBPT.
Will I now get lynched when I turn up to the next schunt meet as I donate to and fight alongside the soldiers of the NTBPT?
 ???
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: BailiffHunter on 17 March, 2011, 07:19:08 PM
I have tried to post on their forum to assist the Biker concerned but it won`t allow me to.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Pat Pending on 17 March, 2011, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: "chalky"
W:T:F:
Have I missed something? I thought essentially we were one and the same, fighting the common enemy, just with different weapons? Afterall the NoToMob was formed from the acorn of the Great Oak that is The NTBPT.
Will I now get lynched when I turn up to the next schunt meet as I donate to and fight alongside the soldiers of the NTBPT?
 ???


Of course not Chalky I am like you I support both forums and both campaigns.  :dancing:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 17 March, 2011, 07:29:53 PM
Spikes.....
 
I've been a member of the NTBPT for 2 years and was one of the 1st members of this site. I see them as one and the same, something most others on here were professing to do the other day aswell.  Most people on here do both.
 
I posted it on here because I thought it would be a good way of getting at WCC and people are more pro active at ad hoc stuff like this on here.
 
I'm not interested in the politics or egos involved in all this. As far as I'm concerned, united we stand, divided we fall. The enemy is WCC and other councils who try to raise revenue through parking. I support all ways of fighting this tyranny.
 
Personally, I would like to see the parking tax gone first then the rest of the shoddy practices and I allocate my efforts accordingly. If we win the court case then all my time will divert to $CHUNTING and the like :)

the decsion was taken on NTBPT to not cancel anyones membership after the money was raised. If people are having trouble with access then I'm not sure why, they shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 17 March, 2011, 07:55:35 PM
Meanwhile, back on topic  :dancing:

It seems to me that the CEO's are being told to ticket non enforceable bays. I understand that they don't wish to encourage vandalism of signs and not enforcing bays with missing signs may do that but surely the solution is to catch the culprits and not just break the law themselves.

I don't condone the vandalism of signs but I can see how some people feel driven to it by the total intransigance shown by WCC over this highly unpopular tax. To some extent they've brought this on themselves.

I think that presenting evidence of CEO's actively enforcing unenforceable bays would present some serious issues to the powers that be and should lead to its cessation and more bad press.

This could be part of the "death by a thousand cuts" to quote esinem!
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: spikes on 17 March, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
TT there is a big difference between the two groups, as I have explained to NoToMob members face to face at the various meetings we've had. I have not met you yet at one of those meetings so I look forward one day to meeting you.

Would you like me to publicly detail exactly why there is a difference if you're not sure? I will do if pushed, and that seems to be what is happening it will make uncomfortable sickening reading for you TT if you're truly unaware of what went on in the past.

Too much shit has happened recently to me in these past months to put up with anymore hypocrisy, egos and politics, so stand by for some uncomfortable truths if you're up for them.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 17 March, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
Spikes, I don't think that would be constructive. If you've got some issues then fair enough, I haven't.
 
Look forward to meeting you $CHUNTING soon.......... :)
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 17 March, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
I shall be all ears at the next Schunt I attend then Spikes. As TT says it wont be constructive to air the laundry in the public arena, so I can wait, though have to declare I am dissapointed! :(
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: jonesy on 17 March, 2011, 08:42:34 PM
W:T:F:
Quote from: "spikes"
TT there is a big difference between the two groups, as I have explained to NoToMob members face to face at the various meetings we've had. I have not met you yet at one of those meetings so I look forward one day to meeting you.

Would you like me to publicly detail exactly why there is a difference if you're not sure? I will do if pushed, and that seems to be what is happening it will make uncomfortable sickening reading for you TT if you're truly unaware of what went on in the past.

Too much shit has happened recently to me in these past months to put up with anymore hypocrisy, egos and politics, so stand by for some uncomfortable truths if you're up for them.


Erm :idea: I am getting a little worried about this W:T:F: I am totally unaware of what the problem is with the two groups :o maybe i have missed the point and not been privileged to have been told about the "hypocrisy-egos-and politics ??? but IMHO both groups have benefited from each other in the way we have grown to fight the common enemy WCC.
 Warren has always stated the NTBPT single point issue and I have fully supported that fight.
 As Chalky and Pat pending say we support both elements and the notomob sort of morphed out members of the ntbpt, Is what has happend really that bad? I have not heard anything in the 2 years I been attending any of the clubs/runs/coffee de briefs
It would be a great shame if after all this time effort money and friendships made is lost and drifted away.
As the notomob campain grows the networking and allegiances with other groups (cabbies) grows :aplude: :aplude: and as we have already seen it's spreading futher a field so please people think on and lets not upset the apple cart as I for one love $hunting and have enjoyed  the webc/wesc much to the annoyance of the misses but hey ho I'm a biker and will fight for all just causes  :-ev-:

Jonesy
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: spikes on 17 March, 2011, 08:49:41 PM
Aww TT you disappoint me, I think now that the court case has happened you would be eager to know another side to the story. Like how my credit card continued to be charged for those domain names that Warren claimed as one of the NTBPT expenses. Now you would think that the NTBPT committee would be keen to chip in with that one or want to correct Warren on that claim. You see TT all credit to you as you have started the ball rolling here, now where shall I start. Perhaps with the NTBPT much promised accounts, anyone seen where or how their money was spent? No I didn’t think so.
 
As I say I’ve bitten my lip for too long and I did warn what would happen if a Pay Pal account reappeared on the NTBPT. What about that EU trip what happened, what did the EU say anyone know? What was the NTBPTs reaction to the latest PiP EU complaint, it will make your hair curl?
 
And so on and so on, you want to know why the NoToMob is different I for one will be very happy to tell you TT as you keep trying to make out the NoToMob and the NTBPT groups are one and the same.
 
As I say I’ve been through a lot this year so I will be calling a spade a spade, one little extra push from you or anyone else that wants to come on here trying to create a link will get the truth then it’s over, so push away TT I dare you.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 17 March, 2011, 08:51:52 PM
Spot on Jonesy! :aplude:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 March, 2011, 09:28:31 PM
I know where....... I stand  ;D
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 17 March, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
I can't stand when I've had a skinful MG!
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: rs2k on 17 March, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
Locked for now.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Anonymous on 17 March, 2011, 09:42:42 PM
People want to ask then they will be told? Notomob battles all councils with CCTV. NTBPT battles WCC.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 March, 2011, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: "chalky"
I can't stand when I've had a skinful MG!
yep my feet are firmly on the floor chalky  :pmsl:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: spikes on 17 March, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
TT where have you gone, I have only just started, surely you has a supporter for a whole two years will want to know more or perhaps the way you backed off so quickly means you know the skeletons I have to reveal. I wished the NTBPT well and had given them all my support in the past and would not say openly stuff which would cause their campaign to implode, but I will not let this one sided story that's being spouted by the likes of you and others go unchallenged. Enough is well and truly enough.


Now what would you say to someone who approached you because two of your mates are enforcers for an outlaw club to do a little work on a Westminster councillor, well you think you would want to keep that a bit quiet wouldn't you. So you would think when you agree to part with NTBPT quietly on certain terms that those terms would be respected and your friends would be respected, but oh dear it looks like they were not.  No they are mentioned in mass emails as if nothing is wrong with the impression that everything is hunky dory.


Then people like you TT and a few others seem to be doing the bidding of the pied piper, but unfortunately for you the court case is done and dusted.


So if you keep poking the hornets nest you might get stung, time to wake up eh, never mind fecking growing up?  :aplude:


How's your ego doing BTW?
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 17 March, 2011, 11:47:33 PM
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: BailiffHunter on 18 March, 2011, 12:34:49 AM
@MG

Kitty time................wow she moves quick!..........With a lolly in her mouth too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 18 March, 2011, 12:47:29 AM
Wait til you see what ive had put on my hi-vis :pmsl:....oh im getting that tomro :dancing: :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Monkey Girl on 18 March, 2011, 12:58:28 AM
Quote from: "Monkey Girl"
Sorry dont use that forum either,thanks anyway TT
Are you aiming that at me? ??? about grown up? :schucks:   if so is was never about the money, is was for personall reason's that I left! ..which I dont have to explain to anyone, until Im good and ready thanks,
 
And im a mature adult....which is much, much, better than being a puppet thank you!
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: BailiffHunter on 18 March, 2011, 01:11:57 AM
:aplude: :aplude:
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 18 March, 2011, 08:25:47 AM
Spikes,
 
Can't you let it drop, I've not been inflamatory. I've started a thread about unenforceable bays with a link to NTBPT because that's where the discussion had started. You seem to want to highjack the thread to vent your spleen at some personal anger you have towards NTBPT. I don't know the background to that and quite frankly I don't care, it's for you to sort out but please don't use me/this thread as an excuse because I mentioned NTBPT.
 
With all due respect, you are not the notmob and it's not up to you to say what or if the notomob or its members have a relationship with NTBPT where all this started, especially not with threats to state some unspeakable wrongs that have gone on behind the scenes on a public forum.
 
I'm not going to be replying to any more of your over the top posts on this topic unless it happens to be about the subject so please don't bother. I suggest you sort your issues out with the people it it concerns and not me.
 
nuff said.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: Anonymous on 18 March, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
TT firstly you come on the Notomob forum posting a thread that only members of NTBPT can view this is inflamatory as you go on to say that all Notomob should be members of NTBPT. That is simply not the case and the Notomob are a separate entity and the NTBPT Chairman wanted it that way and stated so and has not taken part in our campaign or is even a member. Do you think it would be right of a Notomob member to post a link on NTBPT that requires membership of Notomob to see? I have no problem with people being members of both but I am not, neither is Spikes and to suggest we should be is insulting. The Notomob have members who have nothing to do with NTBPT and have been recruited because they believe in what the Notomob do. If you were to post for help on a subject could you post a link where we can help, but don't suggest or tell me I should have an account at NTBPT. I deleted my account because of what I found out and it was my personal decision so don't presume to tell me what I should be a member of or what I should do.
Needless to say I wish NTBPT success in the Courts and hopefully the Judges this time round will see sense and uphold the appeal.
You need to understand that by telling me in the way you did that I should also be A member of NTBPT is wrong. I am happy for you as you say to give your efforts 1st to NTBPT and 2nd to the Notomob and that sir is your decision and I respect that, kindly reciprocate and respect my desicion and those members of Notomob who put the Notomob 1st.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: TT on 18 March, 2011, 09:14:56 AM
FPW, tbh honest I didn't realise that non members could not see the link and I don't believe I implied that notomob members should be members of NTBPT (I didn't intend to), although many of the members have migrated from there and are members of both like myself.
 
If people have issues with NTBPT and don't wish to members then of course I respect that although I find it regrettable that issues can't be resolved because the two groups are stronger working together albeit independent.
 
Likewise I don't expect people to try and impose thier views about NTBPT on me. I have no issues with them personally and will continue to support both groups as I think what they do in their own way is fantastic.
 
All the best.........
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: chalky on 18 March, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
Sorry FPW, when I posted the suggestion for you to sign up to the NTBPT, I genunely had not known of any friction between some members of the two and had presumed that it was an admin error that you could not view the links.
I sincerely hope that I did not add fuel to a burning ember and if I did, can I take this moment to unreservedly apologise to both yourself and Spikes, no harm was ever intended and trust that you both can accept the suggestion was through ignorance not malice.
Hope to see you at the next Schunt?
TTFN
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: crabby on 20 March, 2011, 06:38:02 AM
SO unenforceable bays!
could be worth looking into this,
I took RBKC to patas over a ticket as I was mistakenly parked in a permit only bay rather than the free bay next door,
Result came back and my appeal was sucessful!   ;D
nothing to do with my argument though, reason was original plans showed the bay painted in red and the councilo had repainted in white! this did not match the plans therefore unenforceable as Patas worded it.    :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:


yay!
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: shaman on 29 March, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
First post.  What can I say really?

Gobsmacked at some of the comments.  It's like watching people try to get other biker forums interested in the campaign all over again.
Title: Re: Unenforceable bays.......
Post by: dangerous beanz on 30 March, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
I agree with Shaman


I've not been privy to all the alleged goings on that Spikes, BE, Warren Nutsville et all, have been going on about recently, I am merely a supporter of both of the campaigns.


I just find rather sad that the dirty linen is being washed in public to the delight, no doubt of WCC and it's cronies.