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Title: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 31 March, 2011, 01:08:30 PM
Whilst having a cup of tea at Camley Street with Boyo and Jonesy yesterday before $chunting, I had a call from Leon Mannings. We talked about the aims of the Mob, including whether we had plans to take the campaign nationwide.

To cut a long story short, Leon has asked me to put it to Mob members whether we want to consider having MAG as a vehicle for spreading the NoToMob message to its members. They may be prepared to help organise local No To Mob groups up and down the country but details as to where and how will have to be worked out.

My opinion is that this is a very good opportunity for us. My only concern is that I believe we should preserve the independence and identity of the Mob, something I hope can be achieved when developing any relationship with MAG or any other group who wishes to associate with us.

I am happy to take a role as a coordinator if the group decide to run with this, but would be reluctant to be the sole coordinator.

Please do not be afraid to express your opinions on this public forum. It is the group's message that needs to be put to MAG in my opinion, so now is the time to say your piece.

What do YOU think?
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: billie.skeggs on 31 March, 2011, 01:41:35 PM
From what i have gavered from being a biker and getting involved with eth NTBPT and now the brains of NTM.. (by brains i mean mr tech when the webby site on the " are we internetting now" goes wrong )

MAG only seem to get involved when it may or can benifit them..., after alll the input they have had from the tax campain has been nil since the initial call..

YES... i agree the would help spread the word of us very quickly to thoes who are a member,, BUT do they have another adgender... mainly to get them back on the map as being one for the bikers... cause as a biker of 6 months tho a suppporter of one for years.. it does seem a little fishy... dont you agree..

in the small time the NTM has been around we have achived so much without any outside help.. and have done it in a legal non intrusive way and have been strong through out..

needless to say yes their help would be great for a nationwide attack per say... but i have a feeling they may want to take credit for the work we have achieved... as well as possibly causing this "donation" issue of recent to become more of a problem.. as it will be common knowladge..

i do hope that makes sence :)
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Staps on 31 March, 2011, 02:24:28 PM
Quote from: "billie.skeggs"
From what i have gavered from being a biker and getting involved with eth NTBPT and now the brains of NTM.. (by brains i mean mr tech when the webby site on the " are we internetting now" goes wrong )

MAG only seem to get involved when it may or can benifit them..., after alll the input they have had from the tax campain has been nil since the initial call..

YES... i agree the would help spread the word of us very quickly to thoes who are a member,, BUT do they have another adgender... mainly to get them back on the map as being one for the bikers... cause as a biker of 6 months tho a suppporter of one for years.. it does seem a little fishy... dont you agree..

in the small time the NTM has been around we have achived so much without any outside help.. and have done it in a legal non intrusive way and have been strong through out..

needless to say yes their help would be great for a nationwide attack per say... but i have a feeling they may want to take credit for the work we have achieved... as well as possibly causing this "donation" issue of recent to become more of a problem.. as it will be common knowladge..

i do hope that makes sence :)


Makes perfect sense, It seems they wait till things are looking successful or not before deciding if they want to be part of it. ... fishy indeed. Perhaps tell them they can report the activities of the NoToMoB if they want.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 March, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
Maybe for the future we could look at this, but I feel it is still far too early to be considering going nationwide.
We at the NoToMob are still finding our way in the world of $chunting and trying to go nationwide at this stage would be very risky in my opinion. The very last thing we need is somebody getting it all wrong and bringing us in to disrepute with the Police, Public, or Local Authority. We need to consolidate what we have and build on it. London and Medway are by no way a done deal yet, we need more $chunters to be wholly affective, Some may argue that by forming a link with MAG this could be achieved. The problem as I see it will be that then we will have no control over what is done in our good name. We must avoid bad publicity due to over exuberance or vigilante style $chunting by any one connected to the campaign. If somebody in another part of the country goes off half cocked and gets it all wrong, legislation will ensue to stop us $chunting. We are independent and free from any ties with any one and have been from the start. We have no secret  committees, no hidden agendas, everything is out in the open thanks to the way all you Guys & Girls run the NoToMob. As I say its only my opinion but its good to talk about it in the open and get every $chunters view.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: kiwi on 31 March, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
I saw a Mag member at TS on Wednesday evening, maybe they are just doing the rounds ?? election time?? are they looking for some support?? Did someone just burn a fish finger??  :pmsl:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Bandit on 31 March, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
I think that Pat has it just right.
What the Mob has been very careful about, is the Mission Statement and the objectives. Also what it is NOT doing, eg, targeting the operators inside the car.
This does need to be consolidated so that it is plain as and when the activities expand. Much of what the Mob has achieved is largely down to it's uniqueness, originality and good management, and that it has struck a chord with the public.
MAG association could affect that.

National ambition is great: it would be wonderful day to read a headline stating that motorcyclists have forced mobile CCTV spy cars from our roads. But fundamentals need to be firmly established.

MAG is a national organisation and is better placed dealing with EU legislation and the like. $chunting, while not being uniquely London-centric may not translate well around the country.
 
Not all anti-motorcycling policies float their boat, as we have seen recently. This is not even directly motorcycle oriented: not sure why MAG would be interested in promoting a method of counteracting general traffic surveillance.
 
They probably could do with some publicity though and this is a success story that they could hang their hat on. If you talk with MAG, you should be very clear about how they would go about expanding the activities and how the identity & independence can e maintained.
After all, I'm not sure you want to be labelled MAG's direct action wing!
 
Haven't really been active yet, but as a supporter, IMHO I'd recommend consolidation in the South-east first, with that identity which is so important, and then see if it can translate to other regions on established credentials.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 March, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
You do touch on something I neglected to say Bandit which is you do not have to have ridden on a $chunt to have a voice on this campaign.  Armchair $chunters are every bit just as important to us,  as it has been proven so many times in the past a lot of good work is done from the keyboard.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: peperami gsxr on 31 March, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: "Pat Pending"

Maybe for the future we could look at this, but I feel it is still far too early to be considering going nationwide.


Yeah Pat has a case.

Remember its not just being on the street. There is all the work in the backroom that needs to be covered.

If i take Bexley, yes we have been on the streets once. But there is more work to be done down here, i have a nice list, mainly coming from locals and small business, of what they would like to change, of things that the scars do/enforce that are wrong and in some cases making in very hard for the business to trade.
 Without the street $CHUNTING the press are not interested or the public would not get to know us, as soon we are in some public light then we can start asking for things to change, or hand the press the information, and let them show their readers what the money grabbing councils are all about.....in the name of safety.

So for now, too big....too soon.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: spica on 31 March, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
i think it will be a bad idea to be associated with mag at this early time in notomob's life. :idea:
a stated above what do they gain from joining us and the same goes for us joining them.  i personally like the way things are done and that we are independent with no ties.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 March, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
Another point I would like to make is that it may be the case that a Council that has $cars is not necessarily a target just because they have them.  If they were using them correctly for safety outside schools, and were not doing it covertly by hiding then they should be left alone. The problem is we have not found a Council yet that does not use them for raising revenue from the motorist. We live in hope.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Kill Switch on 31 March, 2011, 07:12:05 PM
Looks like there is a concensus of opinion...... so far.

And I'm in agreement, we don't need an association with any established organisation in my opinion.  If we keep going the way we are, slowly establishing ourselves in a few area's, then we will eventually became an established organisation in our own rite as well.

I think we should continue as we are, not too big, not too quick!  We've not been going a year yet, and with the behaviour of various council's, there's scope for us to be around for a very long time, we should mature as group on our own, in our own good time.

If MAG, or any other organisation would like to report what we do, then that's fine, I'd welcome it, but that's all.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: rs2k on 31 March, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: "Kill Switch"
Looks like there is a concensus of opinion...... so far.

And I'm in agreement, we don't need an association with any established organisation in my opinion.  If we keep going the way we are, slowly establishing ourselves in a few area's, then we will eventually became an established organisation in our own rite as well.

I think we should continue as we are, not too big, not too quick!  We've not been going a year yet, and with the behaviour of various council's, there's scope for us to be around for a very long time, we should mature as group on our own, in our own good time.
If MAG, or any other organisation would like to report what we do, then that's fine, I'd welcome it, but that's all.

Agree with KS :)

The part in bold especially, their reader base is a valuabe asset that we could utilize for getting us known far and wide.... but with no affiliation...  if that makes sense ?   Maybe a regular article in there, comiclly aimed maybe at the stupid/dangerous things the $camera cars/operators do at times....  almost a comic stip section ?
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Monkey Girl on 31 March, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: "Kill Switch"
Looks like there is a concensus of opinion...... so far.

And I'm in agreement, we don't need an association with any established organisation in my opinion.  If we keep going the way we are, slowly establishing ourselves in a few area's, then we will eventually became an established organisation in our own rite as well.

I think we should continue as we are, not too big, not too quick!  We've not been going a year yet, and with the behaviour of various council's, there's scope for us to be around for a very long time, we should mature as group on our own, in our own good time.

If MAG, or any other organisation would like to report what we do, then that's fine, I'd welcome it, but that's all.
Agree with what KS say's  ;D  Let's just keep moving forward, doing our own thing  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: chalky on 31 March, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
Why am I not surprised that KS is happy for MAG to report on is activities?


Bloody media whore!!!! :pmsl:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Kill Switch on 31 March, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
Bugger, found out again :-ev-:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Staps on 31 March, 2011, 08:14:18 PM
The reason i suggested they report only on the NoToMoB is just see how interested they are if they are not getting their own name in lights. Interest will probably fizzle out a bit quick. Lets evolve naturally at our own pace, not accelerated for someone elses gain.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Coco on 31 March, 2011, 08:16:33 PM
I agree with the majority views expressed above. In particular that:-


a) This is not solely a motorcycle issue, (In fact most of the positive comments I have received seem to be from car users!)


b) We should grow in our own way and at our own pace. (If MAG becomes involved at the present time we might find ourselves being swamped.)
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 March, 2011, 09:15:01 PM
This is very true CoCo we save mainly car drivers, van drivers,  black cabs in fact very few motorcyclists need saving in my experience. Pretty soon all sorts will be falling over themselves to try to claim they had a big part in our success against revenue hungry authorities. Remember Golden Goose Square!!!  :bashy:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: chalky on 31 March, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
Personally, I believe, "grow too quick at your peril!".
At the moment we have spread to places like The Medway, Sidcup and Bexley in a very controlled way. With experienced Schunters like Peps and MG becoming local "Chapter" mentors, maintaining the NoToMob codes of conduct, it keeps all/most of the news very positive.
A sudden influx of newbies coming into the sport without a proper apprentiship programme, who knows what could occur and remember, Scamera controllers would be desperate to jump on and spread bad news with relish!


 :idea:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Boyo on 31 March, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
Agree with the points previously made, in that I think we should consolidate and strengthen our methods in this part of the world first. We've grown organically, at our own pace and made great, safe progress in a relatively short period of time. I think if, all of sudden, we ballooned up everywhere then the chances of a reputationally damaging incident would be massive. I don't think we're ready to be "rolled out" nationally yet - and, as has already been mentioned, you only need one negative bit of press to tarnish the whole campaign. At present I'd just be happy for MAG (or any other interested organisation come to that) to support us by publicising what we do, by say, running an article on us but without actively recruiting for us. I'd certainly be mindful of being subsumed into a larger operation and being the "foot soldiers" or "action wing" of any organisation. I think we need to maintain our independence and preserve our (admittedly, still evolving) Modus Operandi
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: NotEvenALondonRider on 31 March, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
All Good points and very fair. I've been an individual MAG member for about 20 years, membership only lapsed a couple of months ago. I tried and completely failed to get anyone from the local MAG group interested in doing anything on the bike parking tax issue. Given the general apathy and lack of engagement of MAG members in the South East I would say keep it local and evolving / learning as it is, no wider publicity really needed.
Those who are actively minded will come across us through the web / press coverage and be inducted sensibly. Those that just want the clubby // party / social side will go blithely on their normal way. I tend to think of that organisation now as MIG - Motorcycle Inactivity Group!
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 March, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
I suppose they could always get involved with the Banner exchange for now.  :idea:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Monkey Girl on 31 March, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: "chalky"
Personally, I believe, "grow too quick at your peril!".
At the moment we have spread to places like The Medway, Sidcup and Bexley in a very controlled way. With experienced Schunters like Peps and MG becoming local "Chapter" mentors, maintaining the NoToMob codes of conduct, it keeps all/most of the news very positive.
A sudden influx of newbies coming into the sport without a proper apprentiship programme, who knows what could occur and remember, Scamera controllers would be desperate to jump on and spread bad news with relish!


 :idea:
We are the Medway Section $chunter's,, ;D , not a chapter (too gang-i-fied)  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: spica on 01 April, 2011, 01:15:10 AM
chapter :o do i look like i try to ride? :bashy:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Esinem on 01 April, 2011, 03:20:15 AM
It's da Medway Massive, innit?

I endorse the consensus and there's not much to add. As our beneficiaries aren't bikers for the most part, we might find the likes of the AA/RAC or some other major organisation courting us before long. Of course, there's no reason why we should join forces with others on specific matters, e.g. sharing honey-pot investigations with RMT.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: billie.skeggs on 01 April, 2011, 07:08:01 AM
If anyone wants to announce our work more publicly so be it but again as said brings in the issue of rogue $chunters who may or may our ruin our good name..

tbh much like in medway.. the BBC approached us.. let them come get us if they want us :)

Quote from: "Pat Pending"
Another point I would like to make is that it may be the case that a Council that has $cars is not necessarily a target just because they have them.  If they were using them correctly for safety outside schools, and were not doing it covertly by hiding then they should be left alone. The problem is we have not found a Council yet that does not use them for raising revenue from the motorist. We live in hope.
 

Well i must argue that Barking and Dagenham seem to doing well in the $camera department.

its their STATIC cameras that ars a nuncance.. un signed and hidden
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Belplasca on 01 April, 2011, 07:12:49 AM
This is the first post in a thread in the members' section of the NTMBT forum (so I'm not posting a link):

Quote
Just picked this up from the MAG front page...

The heart & soul of biking

The Motorcycle Action Group(MAG UK) is a lobbying organisation that exists to protect motorcycling from unsympathetic legislation that threatens the pleasure of riders.

 ([url]http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/rotflmmfao.gif[/url]) ([url]http://http[/url]://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/rotflmmfao.gif)

My arse! ([url]http://http[/url]://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/jerkit.gif) ([url]http://http[/url]://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/jerkit.gif) They should go and meet the FFMC in France to understand what "protect motorcycling from unsympathetic legislation that threatens the pleasure of riders" really means! ([url]http://http[/url]://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/jerkit.gif)

If that is truly their mission statement, why did they not pick up the parking tax in Westminster and why have they not donated much to the legal fund... and certainly less than the FFMC has done, which is even not a UK body! ([url]http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/huh.gif[/url]) ([url]http://http[/url]://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)


The rest of the thread isn't too complimentary, either.

But, if "The Motorcycle Action Group(MAG UK) is a lobbying organisation that exists to protect motorcycling from unsympathetic legislation that threatens the pleasure of riders." is truly MAG's action statement, then itisn't really a very good fit...

Bob
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Bennage on 02 April, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
Agree also.

If they want to put out an article about us, brilliant.  Publicity is great.  The more of the public who know, the more thumbs up we get (not that we really need many more :P )

Also, we are indeed not just a biker group.   I've $chunted once on my push bike and it was great!  Very easy! Plus we have members in cabs and on foot!
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: tilted on 07 April, 2011, 01:59:24 AM
Hello pips and my tuppence-worth. Keep it local and do not be drawn into a National Campaign 'cos that way control will probably be lost and the whole point of having the public at large on "our" side must be at the forefront. Mag seem to be keeping a very low profile at the moment with regard to the court case (I wonder why) maybe waiting for the "pat on the back" type of publicity that is gonna come our way. Publicity is great, but maybe one step at a time may be more prudent!
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 11 May, 2011, 05:47:05 PM
I'm bumping this to see whether you want me to recnsider our position about talking to MAG (Leon).

If you like, I will see if I can arrange for Leon to come and talk to us one Saturday so that we can thrash out a few details as to how it will all work.

All views are welcome, so please don't be afraid to air them.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: peperami gsxr on 11 May, 2011, 06:00:05 PM
I think it would be good for us to be able to spread the word. The more 2 wheeled interested party's on the streets the better.

As already said, a MAG take over is not on the cards. But a means to recruit no members cant be bad.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 11 May, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
Well it does not hurt to see what is on offer :idea:
And I must admit since my last input on this subject, I now think we need some new blood if we are to take on other boroughs and do it correctly. I would like WCC to be fully assisted all of the time as well as Scamden and Islington. To do this we need lots of $chunters not just the same ones trying to be every where at the same time. SO I am in favour of a meeting BE and I would approach it with an open mind.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Monkey Girl on 11 May, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: "Pat Pending"
Well it does not hurt to see what is on offer :idea:
And I must admit since my last input on this subject, I now think we need some new blood if we are to take on other boroughs and do it correctly. I would like WCC to be fully assisted all of the time as well as Scamden and Islington. To do this we need lots of $chunters not just the same ones trying to be every where at the same time. SO I am in favour of a meeting BE and I would approach it with an open mind.
I now agree with Pat ...since my last post  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: DastardlyDick on 12 May, 2011, 07:50:05 AM
To be honest, given the amount of support (or rather, lack of) MAG gave to the NTBPT campaign I wouldn't bother with them.
Dr Leon, on the other hand, seems to be prepared to actually do something, so I'd welcome any help he is willing to give.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 12 May, 2011, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: "DastardlyDick"
To be honest, given the amount of support (or rather, lack of) MAG gave to the NTBPT campaign I wouldn't bother with them.


Yes, but we are not the NTBPT and as such, MAG are viewing us differently. As Pat says, there's no harm in listening and keeping an open mind. I will be phoning Leon later to invite him to come and talk to us.

In my opinion, if we get this right, and with MAG's help, we can expand NoToMob operations nationwide.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: peperami gsxr on 12 May, 2011, 03:35:45 PM
This is a reply  from to Tim Cowen... And its this that makes me wonder about going nationwide.

to see what he is replying to see link...

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,847.msg7370/topicseen.html#msg7370 (http://http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,847.msg7370/topicseen.html#msg7370)




Dear Mr/Ms Peperami,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

I don’t propose to pass it on to our staff. It is clear that the actions of some people who claim to be supporters of your organisation do cause our staff some concern on some occasions, and there have been cases when our staff have reported that they felt harassed, alarmed or distressed by the actions of people following them.

 

You are of course perfectly entitled to your views, and perfectly entitled to express them, and how you do so is nothing to do with us in most situations. Equally, our staff are entitled to do their jobs without feeling alarmed, harassed or distressed.


Tim Cowen

Director of Communications
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 22 May, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: "peperami gsxr"
This is a reply  from to Tim Cowen... And its this that makes me wonder about going nationwide.

to see what he is replying to see link...

[url]http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php/topic,847.msg7370/topicseen.html#msg7370[/url] ([url]http://http[/url]://notomob.co.uk/discussions/topic,847.msg7370/topicseen.html#msg7370)

Dear Mr/Ms Peperami,

Thank you for your email.

I don’t propose to pass it on to our staff. It is clear that the actions of some people who claim to be supporters of your organisation do cause our staff some concern on some occasions, and there have been cases when our staff have reported that they felt harassed, alarmed or distressed by the actions of people following them.

You are of course perfectly entitled to your views, and perfectly entitled to express them, and how you do so is nothing to do with us in most situations. Equally, our staff are entitled to do their jobs without feeling alarmed, harassed or distressed.

Tim Cowen

Director of Communications


Your concerns are noted Pep and must be raised at any meeting with MAG. On that point, I spoke to Leon Mannings yesterday (while waiting at O Street) to see what was happening with this and he told me that the suggestion of promoting the Mob to its (I believe) 40,000 members is receiving widespread support from its governing body. I will be speaking to him again early next week and will arrange for a meeting at Camley St one Saturday, so that everyone can air their views and discuss how best to take this forward, if we are satisfied it is right to do so.

I have certain concerns myself and will be writing them down in readiness for the meeting. May I respectfully suggest you do the same, particularly because it may turn out to be a Saturday when you can't attend. If you have written them down and send them to me, I will ensure they are addressed rather than there being a missed opportunity on the part of someone who can't attend.

I would stress that this is not a done deal. It is for the members to decide what to do and I will probably put a poll up once we have had the meeting and reported on it to all members. And with that in mind, I reckon we need a minutes secretary to record what is discussed and report on the important bits on the forum. Any volunteers please?
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: dipstick on 23 May, 2011, 10:11:39 AM
Tell them to do one.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 23 May, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: "dipstick"
Tell them to do one.

Tell them? Ask them maybe. We can hardly tell MAG to do anything, particularly if we want to foster any kind of mutual respect. I don't have any demands going into this meeting, merely some concerns over how we keep an element of control over this campaign if it is rolled out nationwide.
 
If other members have demands then I'm sure they will be debated in a respectful manner. However, I can only speak for myself and do not expect any more than to have my own opinion considered.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: peperami gsxr on 23 May, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
:idea:

What about a $CHUNTING road show, we co ordinate with local mag groups and they  gain intell, (honeypots) , then a few of us go to their area and show them the ropes. Or invite local groups to us, and it can spread slowly out from the areas that we already operate within.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: The Bald Eagle on 23 May, 2011, 01:07:24 PM
Quote from: "peperami gsxr"
:idea:

What about a $CHUNTING road show, we co ordinate with local mag groups and they  gain intell, (honeypots) , then a few of us go to their area and show them the ropes. Or invite local groups to us, and it can spread slowly out from the areas that we already operate within.

Bring it to the table mate and let's discuss it with MAG. I'm sure they have their own ideas too. Don't forget, they have been around a while and will undoubtedly bring some ideas of their own to the table.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: dipstick on 23 May, 2011, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: "The Bald Eagle"
Bring it to the table mate and let's discuss it with MAG. I'm sure they have their own ideas too. Don't forget, they have been around a while and will undoubtedly bring some ideas of their own to the table.

I bet they have their own ideas. They will annouce that it was their idea.
MAG are only interested because they want something, think of MAG as a parasite and you wont go wrong.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 23 May, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
We will see what they have to say I think, I personally am guarded but as I said before I will approach it with an open mind and weigh up the pros and cons.
We have no previous axe to grind with them and this has the potential to give us a much needed boost, Keep an open mind please people. :idea:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 29 August, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
Are any of the NoToMob planning to be involved with this demo as NoToMob members with $chunters Hi-Viz .
Or are you joining in as bikers?


The reason I ask is if there are a few of us interested we could meet up and ride in together. :idea:

Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: rs2k on 29 August, 2011, 05:01:19 PM
Are any of the NoToMob planning to be involved with this demo as NoToMob members with $chunters Hi-Viz .
Or are you joining in as bikers?


The reason I ask is if there are a few of us interested we could meet up and ride in together. :idea:



What demo Pat :s lol, thought this one was about mag/notomob helping each other out :p
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 29 August, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
OK a friendly ride arround with no particular place in mind and no great rush to get there.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: rs2k on 29 August, 2011, 05:06:32 PM
OK a friendly ride arround with no particular place in mind and no great rush to get there.  :rotfl:

 :pmsl: :pmsl:

 W:T:F:   Is it meds ur needing or meds ur taking  ::)))
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Hawk900 on 29 August, 2011, 05:11:34 PM
At last an official confirmation of a meet up for the 25th Sept MAG demo.

A run Going from Strood in Kent to Ryka's at Box hill.

Meet at B&Q in Strood 09.45 leave at 10.00am & ride to
Oakdean Cafe on the A20 Wrotham http://g.co/maps/b6vv (http://g.co/maps/b6vv) leave at 11.00am ride to
Clackets services (clockwise) Leave at 12.00 noon & ride to Ryka's at Box Hill

Where they'll be a protest meeting.

I'll be meeting Margate John at the Oakdean cafe.


(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6092678463_2a2b1ae38f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13474536@N04/6092678463/)
MAG Nationwide demo 25th Sept...This is the Kent,  part of the Demo. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13474536@N04/6092678463/) by Hawk900 (http://www.flickr.com/people/13474536@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 29 August, 2011, 05:17:31 PM
Ah I think I may have posted in the wrong bit rs2K..... Oh well I am here now so sod it, I was referring to the up and coming MAG 25 September ride out/undefined group happening to be in the same place at the same time but in no particular hurry type thing.
And yes I need my meds.......... NURSE!
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: rs2k on 29 August, 2011, 05:18:32 PM
Ah I think I may have posted in the wrong bit rs2K..... Oh well I am here now so sod it, I was referring to the up and coming MAG 25 September ride out/undefined group happening to be in the same place at the same time but in no particular hurry type thing.
And yes I need my meds.......... NURSE!

Thats what I thought mate lol  :pmsl:

This nurse needs a NURSE !  ::)))
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 29 August, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Well I'm a Norf London geezer so is any other Norf London geezer or geezeret from the Mob attending and if so where are you starting from?
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Hawk900 on 29 August, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
Here's a list of meet points nationwide, take your pick http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883 (http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883)
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: news shopper martin on 30 August, 2011, 06:09:02 PM
This is on my birthday  :party: so would love to go on this
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Belplasca on 30 August, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
Sadly, that day I'll be visiting some Mayan ruins on the coast of Mexico followed by a cool drink on a beautiful sandy beach...

 ;D

Bob
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 30 August, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
Bob what a coincidence .......the last I heard BE was having a tinny and visiting some ruins in Tottenham.  :o
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Monkey Girl on 30 August, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
Awesome...only round the corner for me  ;D

I guess we wont be wearing our vests then?  :pmsl:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 30 August, 2011, 10:38:40 PM
I suppose not considering one of the issues is not having it made compulsory to wear HI Viz. kind of defeats the object really. Unless you just wear to get to the ride then take it off. Its about freedom of choice really.
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Monkey Girl on 30 August, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
Thanks Pat,  I knew that!....Im not really as daft as I look  ;D ....you coming on ya ped then?  :pmsl:
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Pat Pending on 31 August, 2011, 03:23:26 PM

Thanks Pat,  I knew that!....Im not really as daft as I look  ;D ....you coming on ya ped then?  :pmsl:
I have only one thing to say to you young Lady.


Smack Fairy! :o




Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Blinky on 31 August, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
Were doing just fine as we are  ;)
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Hawk900 on 08 September, 2011, 07:53:16 AM
A map of meet points
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209892293638329074775.0004aaa52420acfc56491&msa=0 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209892293638329074775.0004aaa52420acfc56491&msa=0)
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Nigel W on 08 September, 2011, 10:34:41 AM
Only one meeting point inside the M25  :o  ::)))
Title: Re: Possible MAG support for the NoToMob
Post by: Hawk900 on 22 September, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Just got a email update from MAG

DEMO UPDATE With just 4 days to go before we all ride on Sunday 25th, we are already
making waves.

Another MP, Mark Lancaster has now confirmed he'll be riding from
Northampton services on the M1 and 6 MEPs have said they will be at
their local runs to show support. This number is likely to grow as more
call the office each day.

The IMCO vote has now been postponed again!
This time to the 22nd November, which means that the EU Parliament won't
now be voting on this Type Approval Regulation until next year.

The great news is that all this delay is directly related to the fuss we
are causing. This Regulation will not be rubber stamped.

There appears to be some friction between National Governments and the
EU that didn't exist before you all started writing letters.

The standard responses we were receiving from MEPs earlier in the year
have now become more focussed.

The Labour block of MEPs now appear to be supporting either a switch on
ABS, or no compulsion.

The UK Government is now as concerned as we are, that there hasn't been
the research to back much of the content in the Proposal and that the
Impact Assessment carried out was not robust.

They are concerned about the impact on consumers (us!), the increased
costs and complexity of bikes and the right of the UK to maintain its
Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) system, so that one off customs can still
be built.

On a less positive note, we've run out of T-shirts!

Orders came in so thick and fast that we had to reorder from the
suppliers and they were all sold before we'd even received them! Sorry
if you missed out, but some of the start points may still have a few for
sale on the day.

The other 'not so helpful' development, is that the Road Safety
Authority in Ireland has confirmed that it intends to make hi-viz
clothing compulsory for all motorcyclists from 2014.

The Motorcycle Action Group (UK) requested confirmation yesterday after
the RSA told a reporter on the Northern Irish newspaper 'NewsLetter';

"...at present the RSA's preference is for the voluntary wearing of high
visibility jackets rather than compulsion."

This contradicted the RSA's position in the National Motorcycle Safety
Action Plan 2010-14 which proposes the introduction of regulations for
the mandatory wearing of high visibility upper body clothing with full
sleeves for ride and pillion passenger.

Brian Farrell, Communications Manager at the Road Safety Authority,
emailed MAG(UK) in response to a request for clarification, saying;

"I can confirm that the RSA has not dropped the position outlined in the
Motorcycle Action plan. We do intend to seek to introduce the measure in
2014, subject to consultation with motorcyclists and industry on the
most appropriate type of hi-viz material."

MAG(UK)'s General Secretary Nich Brown said;

"too many riders have been unwilling to believe they will be forced to
wear day-glo clothing in the near future.  Until now the RSA has
soft-pedalled its determination to legislate, but now there is no doubt
that the authorities are serious"

The Highways Agency will be putting on extra patrols to help out near
each start point and they have confirmed that the motorway signs from
6am all across the country, will read 'Think bike!'

Not only are the Police being 'understanding' but I now know quite a few
of them will be joining us if they have the day off.

Now, let's hope it doesn't rain!
Kind regards

Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
 


I'm meeting up at the Oakdean cafe  :-ev-: