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Nigel W

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TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« on: 16 May, 2012, 07:00:12 AM »
A typo has sparked a legal row which could lead to hundreds of thousands of pounds being refunded to motorists caught driving in a bus lane, residents have claimed.

The bus lane in Hartfield Road, the one-way system in Wimbledon town centre, was installed despite opposition from local councillors and residents, and has generated more than 6,000 fines since November 18, 2011.


http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/wimbledonnews/9698212.Could_a_council_typo_lead_to_bus_lane_refunds_/

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« Reply #1 on: 16 May, 2012, 08:48:27 AM »
More significant are the discrepancies between the plans and the actual signage in place.
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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #2 on: 16 May, 2012, 01:02:04 PM »
We would be very interested to see a PCN (redacted for privilege), the TMO, the VCA certificate for the cameras and the plans you refer to Phoenix. Any chance please?

Incidentally, I don't want to piss on anyone's cornflakes here, but that typo may well be regarded as "de minimis" by a court of law. <_>
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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #3 on: 16 May, 2012, 02:23:26 PM »
See Certificate attached. According to Merton this is the only certificate they held in May 2011. See correspondence.

There is no such manufacturer as Patrolvu of cameras.  This company buys in the camera modules.

See:
http://www.tssltd.co.uk/patrolvision-safety.html

Futhermore there is no recognised 'system' named on this certificate. A 'mobile enforcement vehicle' is not a 'system' under the terms of COAD.
« Last Edit: 16 May, 2012, 02:43:45 PM by Nigel W »

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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #4 on: 16 May, 2012, 04:23:51 PM »
We would be very interested to see a PCN (redacted for privilege), the TMO, the VCA certificate for the cameras and the plans you refer to Phoenix. Any chance please?

Incidentally, I don't want to piss on anyone's cornflakes here, but that typo may well be regarded as "de minimis" by a court of law. <_>

'Typo' s on pay by phone/text have been ruled not "de minimis" and PCN's upheld as a result.

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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #5 on: 16 May, 2012, 05:11:03 PM »
See Certificate attached. According to Merton this is the only certificate they held in May 2011. See correspondence.

There is no such manufacturer as Patrolvu of cameras.  This company buys in the camera modules.

See:
http://www.tssltd.co.uk/patrolvision-safety.html

Futhermore there is no recognised 'system' named on this certificate. A 'mobile enforcement vehicle' is not a 'system' under the terms of COAD.


Nice.  Sorry to be a newbee/novice..what does COAD mean, Nigel, please?   .........Approved Devices?
« Last Edit: 16 May, 2012, 05:13:05 PM by The Phoenix »
The Patas Monkey has a remarkably high reproductive rate, perhaps as an evolutionary response to the high adult mortality rates associated with this strongly terrestrial lifestyle.  Not to be confused with the Patas Adjudicator - a species yet to be studied.  Use extreme caution: it's  unpredictable

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« Reply #6 on: 16 May, 2012, 05:27:39 PM »
COAD. Certification of Approved Devices.

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/list-of-approved-device-certifications/certapproveddevices.pdf

A 'Mobile Enforcement Vehicle' is not a system that can be certificated. The 'system' is the recording 'system' that produces the evidence packs. This may be one of several different types.

For example:

JAI Streetwatch.    http://www.jai.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Traffic_Solutions_Brochure/streetwatch_bus_lane_enforcement.pdf

Zenco Zengrab.     http://zencosys.com/

SEA ROADflow.      http://www.roadflow.co.uk/
« Last Edit: 16 May, 2012, 05:41:40 PM by Nigel W »

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« Reply #7 on: 16 May, 2012, 05:36:29 PM »
This is getting interesting

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« Reply #8 on: 16 May, 2012, 05:56:49 PM »
How the hell can traffic turn left onto the road (at 1:24) without being in a Bus Lane?
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« Reply #9 on: 16 May, 2012, 06:34:42 PM »
I know this one well,end of last year there were roadworks at the end of the road on the broadway, this road way an absolute no go area even on the bike. Did not help only having one lane due to the bus lane, which do we really need, would all traffic flow better if some bus lanes were scrapped.
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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #10 on: 16 May, 2012, 06:39:20 PM »
COAD. Certification of Approved Devices.

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/list-of-approved-device-certifications/certapproveddevices.pdf

A 'Mobile Enforcement Vehicle' is not a system that can be certificated. The 'system' is the recording 'system' that produces the evidence packs. This may be one of several different types.

For example:

JAI Streetwatch.    http://www.jai.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Traffic_Solutions_Brochure/streetwatch_bus_lane_enforcement.pdf

Zenco Zengrab.     http://zencosys.com/

SEA ROADflow.      http://www.roadflow.co.uk/


Thanks.  Yes I did find the first link re certification after I posted, but thanks again for confirming.  So. my friends in Kingston have the same problem!  BTW, all current VCAs have now been requested re Merton.  PM sent to Bald Eagle re his requests, too.
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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #11 on: 17 May, 2012, 11:49:27 AM »
How the hell can traffic turn left onto the road (at 1:24) without being in a Bus Lane?

This is my video and and I am fighting the PCN - happy to answer any questions / take any advice...!

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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #12 on: 17 May, 2012, 12:08:37 PM »
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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #13 on: 17 May, 2012, 12:27:22 PM »
Welcome Blindowl.

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Re: TMO 'Typo' May Lead to Bus Lane Refunds in Merton.
« Reply #14 on: 17 May, 2012, 01:43:05 PM »
Seconded.  And a "Heartfeld" welcome from me, too.   :D
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