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CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« on: 26 September, 2013, 11:56:30 PM »
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/bid-put-brake-parking-spies-220744388.html#A4CdgsQ


 Councils in England could be banned from using CCTV cameras and "spy cars" to impose parking fines on motorists under new government proposals.

Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles has said he wants to curb "overzealous" local authorities which use cameras to maximise their income from parking fines.

He warned that public support for CCTV could be undermined if people believed they were being used to generate revenue rather than preventing crime.

A government consultation paper will suggest amending legislation underpinning the Traffic Management Act 2004 to outlaw the practice.

"We want to rein in these overzealous and unfair rules on parking enforcement, so it focuses on supporting high streets and motorists, not raising money," Mr Pickles told the Daily Telegraph.

"Parking spy cameras are just one example of this and a step too far. Public confidence is strengthened in CCTV if it is used to tackle crime, not to raise money for council officers."

The announcement will be seen as a morale-booster as Conservative activists prepare to head off for their annual party conference next week in Manchester.

The Telegraph reported that 75 local authorities, one in four in England, currently has permission to use CCTV or "approved devices" for parking enforcement.

The Department for Transport says CCTV should be used only when it is impractical to use traffic wardens.

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #1 on: 27 September, 2013, 12:20:23 AM »
I'll be very happy if this does happen  :party:

but somehow, given Mr Pickles' penchant for sounding off on this subject at regular intevals, with nothing actually happening, I'm not putting the champers lager on ice just yet!

The  more cynical amongst us might think that as long as the Tories "flagship borough", Westminster still uses both fixed and mobile CCTV for parking enforcement, it'll never be outlawed while they are the Government.  >:(
« Last Edit: 27 September, 2013, 12:22:08 AM by DastardlyDick »

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #2 on: 27 September, 2013, 08:55:00 AM »
Given that the Transport Select Committee are about to report, do you think Eric Pickles and Norman Baker's boss, Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin know something we don't know?

This is it boys and girls. This is what we have fought for all this time. They appear to have adopted virtually all of the recommendations we sent to the Select Committee.

Tell you what.

What do we think?

November 5th.

PAAAAARTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing: :party:
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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #3 on: 27 September, 2013, 10:21:58 AM »
And just think back people what brought these nasty grubby money grabbing bastards to our attention in the first place!  WESTMINSTER  CITY COUNCIL!!!  So it has all ended up back at their front door.  $CHUNT anyone?
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Beer in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up,  totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a  ride!!"

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #4 on: 27 September, 2013, 10:37:17 AM »
There may not be any $camera cars to $chunt before long. Our first species of weasel driven to extinction.

Appealing to the council is like playing chess with a pigeon. You might be a chess grand master but the pigeon will always knock all the pieces over, shit on the board and then strut around triumphantly.

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #5 on: 27 September, 2013, 10:54:32 AM »
 I want be holding my breath but the more stories/ reports out there prove that we right all along Story Twitted and face booked

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #6 on: 27 September, 2013, 12:37:04 PM »
Every where I turn today..... TV, Radio, Internet they are talking about this!  Was is it something to do with us I wonder.
 :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl: :pmsl:
 Go on Eric stick it to them!   :party: :party: :party:
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Beer in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up,  totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a  ride!!"

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #7 on: 27 September, 2013, 01:14:17 PM »
TFL rely totally on cameras for red routes.

Pickles wont scrap these.


« Last Edit: 27 September, 2013, 01:18:53 PM by EDW2000 »

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #8 on: 27 September, 2013, 01:50:42 PM »
TFL rely totally on cameras for red routes.

Pickles wont scrap these.

I wouldn't bet on it if I were you. If cameras are being used illegally as Mr Pickles suggests, then TfL are breaking the law too. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #9 on: 27 September, 2013, 02:05:53 PM »
The cameras and mobiles are not being used 'illegally'.

The Statutory Guidance states:

The Secretary of State recommends that approved devices are used only where
enforcement is difficult or sensitive and CEO enforcement is not practical.


Despite my best efforts, PATAS will not say that failing to follow guidance is a P.I. they
say that having regard to (and then ignoring) the guidance is enough. So they can use cameras
where a CEO use is not impractical.

This goes against High Court rulings in similar case involving guidance for other areas of law.

The first of the High Court cases in this line of authorities is -

R v. Islington Borough Council, ex parte Rixon (1998) 1 CCLR 119 at [23] Sedley J (as he was then) described it in these terms:

"Clearly guidance is less than direction, and the word 'general' emphasises the non-prescriptive nature of what is envisaged… In my judgment Parliament… did not intend local authorities to whom ministerial guidance was given to be free, having considered it, to take it or leave it. Such a construction would put this kind of statutory guidance on a par with the many forms of non-statutory guidance issued by departments of state. … in my view Parliament by section 7(1) has required local authorities to follow the path charted by the Secretary of State's guidance, with liberty to deviate from it where the local authority judges on admissible grounds that there is good reason to do so, but without freedom to take a substantially different course."

but PATAS monkey threw that back in my face without good reason.


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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #10 on: 27 September, 2013, 03:51:09 PM »
The cameras and mobiles are not being used 'illegally'.

Let's not get too bogged down in the semantics EDW.

Let's just revel in this great victory for a while eh? :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing:
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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #11 on: 27 September, 2013, 04:12:44 PM »
TFL rely totally on cameras for red routes.

Pickles wont scrap these.




They're not totally reliant on CCTV for Parking Contraventions - they have Foot and Motorcycle Patrols (provided by the Met. Police) as well  :)
« Last Edit: 27 September, 2013, 04:20:00 PM by DastardlyDick »

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #12 on: 27 September, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »
The cameras and mobiles are not being used 'illegally'.

Let's not get too bogged down in the semantics EDW.

Let's just revel in this great victory for a while eh? :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing:

I see from the Press Releae that these are "proposals to consult" with no actual time frame given.

Unfortunatley, I've worked in Public Service for far too long to start counting my chickens just yet, but in the meantime, my hearty Congratulations to all those who have worked very hard to get the issue this far!

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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #13 on: 27 September, 2013, 04:44:45 PM »
The cameras and mobiles are not being used 'illegally'.

Let's not get too bogged down in the semantics EDW.

Let's just revel in this great victory for a while eh? :party: :dancing: :party: :dancing:


I have emailed you the last FOI from the DfT.



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Re: CCTV CAMERAS AND CARS TO BE BANNED ?
« Reply #14 on: 27 September, 2013, 09:05:41 PM »
Don't rejoice too much just yet guys, this article just appeared on the Sutton Guardian website. Is Sutton Council prepared to break the law I wonder?  :idea: >:(  http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/news/10703891.Spy_cars_will_continue_to_enforce_parking_rules_despite_Government_s__casino__claim/

 


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